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Yes, yes, every piece slowly falls into place. *Cue maniacal villain laughter
It’s like they actually studied history, to try and replicate the desired results as identically as possible. Or they didn’t, at all, and this is just 2+2=4 scenario but with history.
Let’s see…
- Nazism
- McCarthyism
- Vietnam War
- Racial Injustice
- South African Apartheid
- Occupy Wall Street
- Gaza Genocide
- etc.
I am curious. Has there ever been a wide-scale student protest movement that WASN’T unequivocally vindicated by history?
The Young Turk movement started with medical students.
There were quite a few pro-segregation protests when schools were desegregated.
There’s also a lot of cases where students with real grievances and positive intentions are coopted; most of the students protesting in the early 90s in eastern europe didn’t intend to do a color revolution and have their countries stripped for parts.
University students lead the Hungarian Revolution, and history doesn’t remember them fondly. They rebelled against the Soviet Union, which makes them Nazis. It’s a good thing our dear leader Stalin sent the tanks in to kill those students.
I had to look it up (dont know much about it), but in the Wikipedia entry it notes:
Time named the Hungarian Freedom Fighter its Man of the Year
And
In 2006, Hungarian Prime Minister Ferenc Gyurcsány referred to this famous Time cover as “the faces of free Hungary” in a speech marking the 50th anniversary of the uprising.
Which makes me think they were later vindicated. But maybe I’m missing something.
The guy you’re responding to is a liberal doing a piss-poor satire of a ML.
The students protests was quickly co-opted by nazi collaborators entirely unaffiliated with the students, it’d be like if Jan 6 happened during the 2020 protests.
The government vindicating those protestors also built monuments to nazi collaborators.
It’s a complex issue, the students had genuine issues the government was failing to address, but if the soviets didn’t step in, things would have been far, far worse. For comparison, here’s what tended to happen in countries that failed to stop the counterrevolution around that time.
Yeah, that is why it was justified to shoot protesters. Because of what might have happened. The people are clearly misguided, we need to roll over them with tanks to prove we are the true proletariat. A lot of governments built monuments to Nazi collaborteurs. That doesn’t mean jack shit. Hitler was vegetarian and against animal abuse.
Yeah, that is why it was justified to shoot protesters
If that’s what you think I’m suggesting, you need to work on your reading comprehension.
There were protesters protesting for a change in government, there were organizers setting up alternative structures to compensate for the government’s failure, there were also fascists lynching government officials in the streets.
Are you suggesting it would have been better to just let the fascists seize power?
A lot of governments built monuments to Nazi collaborteurs. That doesn’t mean jack shit
Oh lmao.
Yeah, that is why it was justified to shoot protesters
If that’s what you think I’m suggesting, you need to work on your reading comprehension.
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Are you suggesting it would have been better to just let the fascists seize power?
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Let me simplify this for you: Shooting communist protesters trying to reform the system is bad. Shooting fascists lynching people in the street is good and necessary.
I may be wrong and lack any historical knowledge on the subject, but I think author is sarcastically self-identifying as a tankie?
I’m not a troll, I’m a 100% serious and proud Marxist-Leninist. And I think there was nothing wrong with Stalin selling lumber and steel to Nazi Germany in the 1930s to make weapons with. Because I’m a real communist!
selling lumber and steel to Nazi Germany in the 1930s
Every future member of the Allies did this.
What really separated the Soviets from other future Allies is it approaching Britain and France on the eve of the war with an offer of an anti-Nazi pact. imagine if those countries were not so rabidly anti-communist that they agreed to this.
Ok but you are a troll. You’re just not very good at making jokes because when called out you are doubling down on being stupid
How DARE you!? I would never satirize Marxist-Leninist positions to raise awareness of problems with the Soviet Union and promote anarchism as a viable alternative. Because anarchists are all stinky!
Is this a science meme? Am I on Reddit?
You are on sciencememes, and this is a meme about academia?
Academia = Science ?
My dude, it’s right there in the description
A place for majestic STEMLORD peacocking, as well as memes about the realities of working in a lab.
Honestly, I have no idea what you are trying to argue
How does the post have anything to do with what you just quoted from the community rules?
I am trying to say the post has nothing to do with science.
And? Seems like your definition and this community’s definition of “science memes” differ. Who cares. What are we even arguing about?
Didn’t the USA join a war against some Nazis?
Not unprovoked and not for 5 more years. Germany declared war on the US. Until Pearl Harbor, the US was quite neutral.
Edit: correct 4 to 5
They were about as “neutral” as they were in the Ukraine conflict under Biden.
They were selling loads of weapons at discount prices and supporting the allies in many ways.
You’re right though that the US public was generally against joining the war, and the US as a whole, tended to be quite isolationist until Pearl Harbour.
They were selling weapons to both sides. GM controlled Opel until the 1940s, they built a lot of the nazi war machine (using forced labor), the Ford-Werke factory in Germany produced V2 rocket turbines among other parts, and US strategic bombers were specifically told to avoid bombing it because it was owned by an american, Exxon and Dow licensed patents for synthetic rubber and other war materials Germany lacked, Chase provided loans necessary for the rearmament, IBM sold the nazis the computers they used to carry out the holocaust.
The capitalist class looked at fascism as the savior of capitalism; they’d been terrified of a revolution in Germany and Hitler had just shown them an alternative. There’s a reason he was Time’s man of the year in 1938.
Adolf Hilter was Time’s Person of the Year in 1938. Joseph Stalin was 1939.
Source: https://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,2019712,00.html
Good catch, I have edited it accordingly. Real “giving the nobel peace prize to Henry Kissinger and the guys he is currently dropping chemical weapons on” vibes.
Also: Holy shit, Chiang Kai-Shek is there for 1937.
US was selling stuff to EVERYONE, including the Nazis
They were about as “neutral” as they were in the Ukraine conflict under Biden.
Ah yes, and during Palestine conflict. They ultimately come out on top, it doesn’t matter if they’re funding a genocide. And people like you just spread around the “good”, and hide the actual heinous history.
