I mean it’s simple as if you are talking about them, then it’s their context that matters if it is normal for them or not. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
If they were talking about you it wouldn’t be normal even if they considered it normal since they were talking about you and your context.
It’s just how normalcy works…
“it’s normal for them so it’s normal” to “it’s normal for them but not to you”
I’m not sure how you’ve understood it like this. It’s normal for them has been the thing the whole time. You said it’s not normal but it is normal for them though, you can’t decide normalcy for their context
Same as I can’t say it’s not normal for people in Peru to eat guinea pigs. But it is normal for them, it’s just not normal where I live. Do you see now?
But you’ve never explained why that is. You just… kinda like it that way. Their normal takes precedence (it didn’t for a bit, but I called you out on it and now it does again) only because you say so. No definition you put forward included whose normal goes first when two normals happen at once.
To be clear, normal doesn’t work like that, it’s not what I meant and you fully understand this. But if we play by your definition, nothing in your definition decides which normal is the more normal. I say my normal goes because I’m the speaker and my set of expectations define normalcy in my speech. You have provided no argument against this.
It’s just the definition of the word. What is typical etc. for some context. Those people consider it normal to do that because to them it is normal 🤷♂️
For example if these people would be from Finland then yes it would be normal. It is just what people in Finland do which makes it normal.
It’s not my definition, friend. It’s straight from a dictionary. But I think it (pretty reasonably) assumes the person reading it knows it’s context dependent. See their example:
the condition of being normal; the state of being usual, typical, or expected.
“the office gradually returned to a semblance of normality”
Of course the context here is how that office typically is. That’s the normal.
In that context it’s the speaker who has an expectation for what is normal for that office. The office normal and the speaker normal are the same.
There is nothing in the definition that demands normalcy to be defined by the object.
If every language on the planet put the verb at the end of a sentence and only one language set the verb in the middle of the sentence would you say it is incorrect to say speakers of that language are doing things the normal way or would you get nitpicky about it and say that’s inaccurate?
Which, again, not the point, you get what I was saying, you’re mostly trolling. I get it, you get it, we established this at the go. We’re just trolling around the relative inaccuracy of the trolling here.
It’s just that what’s normal is defined by the actual situation in the office. So the office normalcy is just what’s normal in the office, even if we think it’s abnormal or disagree with their office whatever.
If every language on the planet put the verb at the end of a sentence and only one language set the verb in the middle of the sentence would you say it is incorrect to say speakers of that language are doing things the normal way or would you get nitpicky about it and say that’s inaccurate?
I mean if I was talking about how speakers of the verb in the middle language consider it normal then in that context yeah that’s their normal.
Did that help to understand the situation? You can ask about other scenarios too if it helps
But I didn’t ask if you would say it’s “their normal”. I asked if you would say it’s “normal”. Not qualifiers, no possessives. Also, I wasn’t talking about how women being socially expected to alter their identity based on having sex with a man as a habit “consider it normal”, I was talking about how I don’t consider it normal.
So that’s kind of a lot of sneaky adjustments you made there. Wanna try that again?
But it’s them we are talking about. Same as your original comment. Otherwise it wouldn’t be the same scenario. For the people in question it’s normal yes.
I was talking about how I don’t consider it normal.
I know. It’s normal but you don’t find it normal. I feel like we’ve covered this before, but it has been a long conversation so I’m not 100% sure.
I noticed in some of the replies you seem a bit upset. I hope this conversation isn’t the cause of that. I know it’s been a long and probably frustrating journey.
I mean it’s simple as if you are talking about them, then it’s their context that matters if it is normal for them or not. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
If they were talking about you it wouldn’t be normal even if they considered it normal since they were talking about you and your context.
It’s just how normalcy works…
I’m not sure how you’ve understood it like this. It’s normal for them has been the thing the whole time. You said it’s not normal but it is normal for them though, you can’t decide normalcy for their context
Same as I can’t say it’s not normal for people in Peru to eat guinea pigs. But it is normal for them, it’s just not normal where I live. Do you see now?
But you’ve never explained why that is. You just… kinda like it that way. Their normal takes precedence (it didn’t for a bit, but I called you out on it and now it does again) only because you say so. No definition you put forward included whose normal goes first when two normals happen at once.
To be clear, normal doesn’t work like that, it’s not what I meant and you fully understand this. But if we play by your definition, nothing in your definition decides which normal is the more normal. I say my normal goes because I’m the speaker and my set of expectations define normalcy in my speech. You have provided no argument against this.
It’s just the definition of the word. What is typical etc. for some context. Those people consider it normal to do that because to them it is normal 🤷♂️
For example if these people would be from Finland then yes it would be normal. It is just what people in Finland do which makes it normal.
Not by your definition. By your definition it’s “what’s expected or usual”, it doesn’t say anything about who decides what is expected or usual.
It’s not my definition, friend. It’s straight from a dictionary. But I think it (pretty reasonably) assumes the person reading it knows it’s context dependent. See their example:
Of course the context here is how that office typically is. That’s the normal.
In that context it’s the speaker who has an expectation for what is normal for that office. The office normal and the speaker normal are the same.
There is nothing in the definition that demands normalcy to be defined by the object.
If every language on the planet put the verb at the end of a sentence and only one language set the verb in the middle of the sentence would you say it is incorrect to say speakers of that language are doing things the normal way or would you get nitpicky about it and say that’s inaccurate?
Which, again, not the point, you get what I was saying, you’re mostly trolling. I get it, you get it, we established this at the go. We’re just trolling around the relative inaccuracy of the trolling here.
It’s just that what’s normal is defined by the actual situation in the office. So the office normalcy is just what’s normal in the office, even if we think it’s abnormal or disagree with their office whatever.
I mean if I was talking about how speakers of the verb in the middle language consider it normal then in that context yeah that’s their normal.
Did that help to understand the situation? You can ask about other scenarios too if it helps
But I didn’t ask if you would say it’s “their normal”. I asked if you would say it’s “normal”. Not qualifiers, no possessives. Also, I wasn’t talking about how women being socially expected to alter their identity based on having sex with a man as a habit “consider it normal”, I was talking about how I don’t consider it normal.
So that’s kind of a lot of sneaky adjustments you made there. Wanna try that again?
But it’s them we are talking about. Same as your original comment. Otherwise it wouldn’t be the same scenario. For the people in question it’s normal yes.
I know. It’s normal but you don’t find it normal. I feel like we’ve covered this before, but it has been a long conversation so I’m not 100% sure.
I noticed in some of the replies you seem a bit upset. I hope this conversation isn’t the cause of that. I know it’s been a long and probably frustrating journey.