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That’s what all their guns are for, right? Not just for shooting minorities and kids, right?
I mean yes, but most of the gun owners in this country will rise up and stand on the side of tyranny.
republicans are so far gone they would welcome a tyrant if it was trump. he is their religion now.
It’s a great way to get arrested or killed, scare people away from resistance for fear of their safety, and embolden fascism by turning a constitutionally protected peaceful resistance into a domestic threat.
How many people with guns do you estimate it takes to overthrow the largest military in the world by force?
Dude the president just declared birthright citizenship illegal and deployed the mari!es to crack down on peaceful protests against ice blatant violating the 4th amemdment.
Nobody. Gives. A. Shit. About your fucking constitution.
No, he didn’t. He wrote an executive order. That’s not a law. It’s a directive to the executive branch, and we are in no way obligated to follow it as citizens.
SCOTUS ruled that a district judge cannot impose a nationwide injunction against the executive order. Each judge will now have to rule on the case of birthright citizenship independently. The 14th amendment is very clear.
THE CONSTITUTION DOES NOT MEAN JACK SHIT TO NAZIS.
FUCK OFF, SHITLIB.
Then why haven’t we been arrested for protesting yet? Oh, right, because it’s still protected.
Maybe you should talk to a therapist about those big feelings instead of typing all caps and name-calling.
The big word is YET.
They are funding ICE with 10 billion dollars. ICE will not be used just for immigration. It will be filled with Nationalist goons and thugs and ICE will be the group that goes after citizens and dissenters.
Give it a year and large protests against the current regime will probably not be allowed.
So you think it makes sense to bring violence and provoke that step before we have the numbers we need for a successful resistance, rather than continuing to grow our numbers under our legal protections?
Do you see how your argument makes no sense?
Not any more.
He declared, and people are going along. ‘Law’ does not seem to matter here.
We are not obligated as citizens. Thats what the men with guns are for.
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Thats some tepid-ass bullshit for a part of thr constitution, it almost doesnt matter that the administration is going to wipe their asses with it.
So because you believe something will happen, we should lead a small, unsuccessful, violent revolution to ensure that it does happen?
How about you keep your big feelings to yourself while the people who have successfully grown a resistance from a few hundred thousand to ~10M in four months continue to successfully plan and execute a real resistance.
You use that phrase a lot. I feel like you’re not actually reading what im typing.
It’s not a resistance if it can’t actually do anything. I’m not sure the milder thing is necessarily the easy sell.
What about growing numbers is confusing to you? 10M people is ~2% of our nation. We couldn’t collectively get anything done, yet. We’re growing a resistance through organized protests.
You clearly haven’t read enough on the topic. Do some research and then we can talk. Until then, your opinion is woefully uninformed.
50 million? The population of the US is something like 340 million and there are more guns than people in this country.
Cool. Our largest nationwide protest was ~11M, most of whom were elderly. So you agree we need to grow our numbers.
Small factions of violence have historically proven to reduce resistance numbers and justify the implementation of assembly-restricting legislation.
Yeah. The protests are always elderly, disabled, and pacifist. Boy the Nazis sure are terrified of you.
Just look how effective Luigi was to scare the owner class for a few months. Wish it could keep happening.
I think it’s hilarious that the US navy has the second largest Air Force in the world but people think they’re going to take it on with some handguns and rifles.
The only times americans revolted against their government was when americans were fighting to KEEP slavery. So I wouldnt get my hopes up.
I work for an US company and I got a day off, it is curious, cause Im from Costa Rica, and I belong to the bribri indigenous nation, and we commemorate Pa Bru day, an ancient leader who stopped Spanish incursions to our land in 1710. So I wish, from the deepest of my soul and for my ancestor that you, US fellows, rebel!
The civil war that follows isn’t even the difficult part.
The difficult part is coming up with a vision for the time after the civil war. And that’s gonna be difficult. If americans couldn’t agree on a policy before 2025, why would they be able to come up with one after that?
I just want to mention that there’s a series of difficulties:
- practically, a good 20% - 30% are still backing trump, especially among “republicans for life”. It would be easy to topple a government if 99% of the population despised it, but if 20% back it, it’s difficult because it can retract and re-collect strength.
- normally, conflicts are decided by who can stay solvent longer, i.e. who has more money. normally, that would be blue states, but if trump can just print money through the federal reserve, then that kinda makes that point more questionable. blue states kinda would have to start using their own currency, or some foreign currency like the canadian dollar or the mexican pesos, to be fiscally independent from washington. that’s a logistic challenge to pull off so quickly. but it can be done.
- then there’s a shitload of cultural issues. the vietnam kicked the american’s butt because they were fierce and willing to die for their cause, because they were willing to die for their community. america doesn’t have communities like that, america is very atomistic, i.e. everybody fights for themselves. establishing a good sense of community is a whole lot of work and takes a long time. i don’t see it happening overnight.
Is it possible ? Can US americans revolt against their own government ?
The biggest problem is, that this isn’t a government issue. A lot of people still stand behind that government so overthrowing the government would likely lead to a civil war.
The state necessarily has a monopoly on violence; it’s part of what makes it the State. But what choice do the People have when the power of the state is seized by a group determined to use that power against its own population? The USA is famously “invasion proof” but there is nothing in place to protect us from such abuse. The only response that could stop a protracted guerilla style resistance is the total dissolution of the senate and house with immediate emergency elections to replace 100% of the members
My guess is that their revolt will be similar as the recent Chinese and Russian ones.
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They revolted?
They’re revolting…
How about a general strike? More than protests but non-violent.
I 100% support a general strike, but (1) I think that’s a lot more difficult to organize than revolt, which can be spontaneous, and (2) I don’t think a general strike and a revolt are mutually exclusive tactics.
First past the post voting system isn’t democratic and can easily be corrupted by Gerrymandering.
I mean yeah, I vibe with this, but did you mean to reply to something else? 😄
No, I meant that revolting against a government without an election system change is replacing one almost dictatorship with another.
I mean again, yeah, I’m an anarchist, and obviously not just any revolt is gonna cut it. Although instead of an election system to elect representatives in a “representative” liberal “democracy”, I think we can do a lot better than that.
We need to grow our numbers! The only way we can do that is with continued non-violent organized protest. Violence will only reduce our numbers and suppress our resistance.
Erica Chenoweth has a very well researched presentation on the success of non-violent resistance overthrowing dictatorships with only 3.5% of the population. I highly recommend it.
Come out today for the Free America protest! We also have the Good Trouble Lives On protest on July 17th.
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