• rumba@lemmy.zip
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    8 days ago

    USBC has done something truly amazing. You used to be able to tell within reason what the capabilities of USB were by the connector or the color of the port. Now there’s dozens of options and there’s hardly anyway for you to tell what cable and port support what features.

    Maybe your port and charger can throw out 20 volts at 3 and 1/2 amps. Maybe you can throw out 20 volts at 6 amps (dell) maybe your device doesn’t negotiate correctly and they say to only use an a-c cable

    Don’t get me wrong, I love the port. Multidirectional, doesn’t really wear out, does have a tendency to get a little dirty though. Lightning was a little more forgiving on dirt.

    Labeling on the ports are all vague labeling on the cables is non-uniform or not existent.

    But, truth is they probably come up with half a dozen specs for USBC that half your it doesn’t support. And they’ll probably come out with God knows how many more before they Make a new connector.

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      8 days ago

      Yeah, but at least you’re not sol when you’re at an apple house with an android device at 10% battery any more. If you need a cable with very specific capabilities that’s on you to do that research imo. The alternative is making every cable more expensive when most people don’t need it.

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      8 days ago

      I don’t agree with the good ol’ days, beyond the blue connectors of USB3, there was no way of telling if a cable was charge only or data+charge. No way to tell if it was USB 1 or 2. If it was standard 0.5 amp or “fast charge”, up to 3 amps. There was a lot of different plugs, regular, mini, micro, A and B types.

      I agree with everything you say about USB-C tho.

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        8 days ago

        Yeah. It was already happening circa USB3. It’s not because of the connectors, but the broadening spectrum of requirements of client devices.

        Maybe USB-C was a missed opportunity to address it, but it certainly didn’t “start the fire”.

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        8 days ago

        It wasn’t better, but it was readable. I don’t want to go back, I want them to fix what we have now to be readable.

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          8 days ago

          Here’s an idea, all C cables supporting any level of PD must have the specs stamped on both plugs.

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            8 days ago

            I’m down with it, but it’s a lot

            Wattage/transferspeed/displayport/thunderbolt/PD

            Even the current icons don’t tell you more than speed these days

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              7 days ago

              That is a lot of space for very little info, that means nothing to anyone who doesnt already know what th codes mean. U4.2.40 would be just as useful.

              This is the programmer art of graphic design.

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              7 days ago

              USB 4 Version 2.0

              Oh for fuck’s sake. So that’s newer and has more bandwidth than USB4 gen2 and gen3, right?

              At least we got away from the USB 3.x where 3.0 and 3.2 Gen 1x1 were the same thing, despite 3.0 and 3.2 having a 9 year gap between them so you kinda expected 3.2 to be faster, but it was only faster if it was an x2 flavor, so 3.2 gen 1x2 was the faster version (extra lane for data) of 3.0 and 3.2 gen 2x2 was the faster version of 3.1 I guess?

              Whoever at USB-IF is in charge of this versioning needs to take a long walk off a short pier.

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    7 days ago

    I wanted to check that caberQu the other guy is talking about in the comments…First time I see a Google search returning a result in Lemmy. Cool.

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    8 days ago

    4-5 years ago I stopped buying products that had micro-usb, lightning or any other form of port that wasn’t usb C.

    Last week I was looking at a gadget and it had micro-fucking-usb and was produced in early 25! What the fuck?!

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      Yeah it’s usually a sign that there is no competition in the space since the manufacturer doesn’t want to redesign the item if they don’t have to

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      It is cheaper to have manufactured & is very much a “known”, but I’m right there with you. If it’s not USB-C, fuck 'em.

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      8 days ago

      And there’s are those gadgets that have a USB-C socket but don’t have the correct circuitry, so that they only work with a USB-A to C cable.

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    8 days ago

    USB-C will be around for a long time, it’s a strong standard. Wireless inductive charging won’t take over for a long time because it’s limited in speed, and WiFi/Bluetooth are much slower for data transfer.

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      7 days ago

      Idk about the wifi thing, my phone should technically be able to do >500 Mbps to my computer yet it still transfers files at like 10 over wifi or usb

      500 would be more than good enough but 10 is not

      (It’s a OnePlus 12, age is not the issue)

      I would also dislike the loss but I don’t think data speed is really the issue. Mostly that I couldn’t connect peripherals like my flash drive or sd card anymore

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        take manufacturer’s claims

        divide by 10

        half it

        half it again

        you now have the max your device will ever reach, with the usual speeds being ~60% of that

        (my isp says 300mbps, divide by 10, half, half, 7,5mbps, which i think i never saw since the speeds are actually from 3 to 4)

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          I can get like 300 Mbps on a speed test tho

          That’s probably a problem with your router or receiving hardware btw unless you’ve confirmed otherwise

          Especially if you’re in an area with a lot of other wifi signals or radio frequency interference

          If it’s an ISP provided router you could probably ask for them to look at it

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            That’s probably a problem with your router

            isp provided router

            receiving hardware

            tried multiple devices, both wireless and wired, even with an name brand external wireless antenna

            Especially if you’re in an area with a lot of other wifi signals or radio frequency interference

            Middle of nowhere countryside.

            If it’s an ISP provided router you could probably ask for them to look at it

            Tried, they gave me the Deny, defend, depose treatment

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              I would say to first try the speed on ethernet. If that’s slow, then it’s the service or the modem and not the router. I think even the worst router you can find would support at least 250 Mbps on Ethernet.

              To see if it’s the router’s fault, you could try some high bandwidth local network transfer, with sftp or something. If that’s slow, if you have the money you can just buy one of those fancy gaming routers or some other highly reviewed one.

              If there’s a few walls or floors in between you and the router that could be the problem and a fancier higher power router will help with that. Another thing that could help is installing another access point near where you’re device is, although that’s obviously a lot of effort.

              If even ethernet is slow and they refuse to help you then if you’re in the US or Canada you can try submitting a complaint on the Better Business Bureau website. This actually helped us once or twice when dealing with some cellular problems. You wouldn’t think it would do anything but I guess sometimes it gets them to pay at least a little bit of attention to the problem.

              I have heard about how bad and monopolistic rural Internet can be, good luck

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      7 days ago

      Is there any actual benefit for wireless charging? You still need to plug the charger somewhere and just feels like more expensive way that’s prone to more problems.

      I am all for “research for the sake of research is enough and needs no further justification.” But I still feel like I am missing something here. Why are companies producing and selling it? Am I dumb?

      Only scenario it seems useful is that you can replace your phone’s USB hardware with a small badUSB and rely on wireless charger while cops wonder why they can’t investigate your files on their device.

      • Tomato666@lemmy.sdf.org
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        I’ve had several phone where the USB socket stops working reliably. At that point it’s easier to use a wireless charger.

        Yes, it’s usually pocket fluff in the socket and it can be picked out, but it takes some time and care to avoid damaging the socket.

        My latest case (Otter) also has a cover that is awkward to open to plug in the lead, so there’s that too.

        As a bonus the charger works with Apple and Android so very convenient as my kids are Macolytes.

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    7 days ago

    Nah, USB-C is plagued by non-standard electrical configurations, non-standard charging protocols, and non-compliant cables. Rest assured the connector is here to stay, your device just may not be able to charge with any given charger or cable.