I love little mistakes like that

I didn’t even catch that the first time. But what should we expect from garbage software?

Right, so you can’t show me that stealth edit then? Either you’re delusional or lying.

Not a fan of Snaps, though.

I’m the same and decided to give Tuxedo Linux a try. So far I really like it.

There’s also freedom of contract, freedom to decide when services you pay for are no longer wanted.

Absolutely.

What I don’t understand is that people are taking what I said as “Disney shouldn’t have been allowed to fire her”. Which was never my argument.

I guess my entire argument can be summed up as believing everyone deserves second chances. That’s it. To me, at the time, it seemed like Disney gave her the boot for saying one off-colour remark. I wasn’t aware she was saying tons of crazy stuff.

Then you dont disagree with what she said

I said “I don’t agree with what she said”.

Freedom of speech makes hate speech okay, really???

Also never said that. But if anyone who expresses hateful things are attacked, then the ideas will always live in the shadows. And when the right environment comes (like in the US right now) then those ideas from the shadows will come out.

you arent free from consequences of said speech.

I never said people shouldn’t be free of consequences. I said I didn’t think she should get fired for what I (originally) thought was effectively an edgy comment. I had no idea she was posting tons of crazy stuff.

Why are you defending far right nonsense anyway?

When did I defend far right nonsense? Please, find a single post of mine where I did. Because saying I don’t think singing should be fired for saying something is worlds different than defending what they said. Frankly, she’s an idiot for the things she said. I don’t agree with any of them. And I have never once defended her.

you havent called her out yet

I said in my original comment that I disagree with what she said. And in other comments I have outright said that Gina said really stupid things. That’s a nice way of saying it.

and are actively defending her.

You need glasses or reading lessons, because I haven’t defended her once.

So you are either lying or full of shit.

And this just about sums up the attitudes here. Quite literally a mob saying “if you’re not with us and denouncing the person we’re after, then you’re against us too”.

In your edit you stealth removed the section where you said you thought she was denied freedom of speech.

Show me the “stealth” edit. I did not remove anything from my original comment, I only added.

Freedom of speech requires that the government can’t stop you and the government can’t make laws that stop you.

I literally said “freedom of speech the concept, not the law”. You’re talking about the law, which involves the government. The concept of free speech is the idea of being able to voice your thoughts without being attacked or silenced.

The reason it’s important is that if people who voice anti-mainstream thoughts are attacked, then people with similar thoughts who see that will learn to keep their thoughts to themselves. Then they’ll seek out other like-minded people. And it’s clear where that eventually leads.

If instead people with those different ideas (whether it’s harmful or not) are not afraid to talk about it, then other people can help them see why their ideas are not ok. And that can happen early enough that those ideas don’t become a worldview.

I’ve seen people asking the question “have all these Trump supporters always existed?” And I think the answer is yes, because of what I just outlined.

I have no issue with if you or anyone else vehemently disagreed with me. The point of discourse is to discuss different and opposing ideas. What I don’t like is being attacked and belittled for what amounts to a misunderstanding.

Except there’s nothing for me to “learn” here, aside from the fact that everyone’s been talking about something different than me.

I was only aware of one “edgy” tweet by Gina, and thought she was fired for that. And there was only one person here who pointed out that Gina said a ton of stuff.

Instead you, and a bunch of others, just outright assumed I was defending all that stuff (which I plainly said I wasn’t).

If you’re a noob, what made you go with Debian in the first place?

I want to be clear, there’s nothing wrong with that, just not the usual path for a new Linux user.

Games were once created by gamers

This is the biggest issue. I tend to focus on Indie games lately. There’s the odd bigger game that I’ll pay for, but they are few and far between.

Insignificant education

You’d be wrong about me.

At some point they or their family got the idea that freedom of speech meant that you can say anything you want anytime and there would never be repercussions for any of it

Also wrong.

I wonder what he uses now that macs aren’t x86 anymore.

He’s using an old Intel laptop right now.

https://www.phoronix.com/news/Radeon-RX-590-Torvalds

Also, guess which one ALL of them run on their servers.

Ya, I’m seeing now that everyone has been talking about something else entirely than what I thought it was. It took several back and forths with someone to finally get to the heart of it. All the while almost everyone was hurling insults at me instead of trying to be decent.

Which is ironically the point I was trying to make in many of my replies. That instead of attacking someone you think you disagree with, talking with them patiently goes much further.

Well… that’s very different. I wasn’t aware of all that stuff.

If Disney fires someone for their political views, they should get their butts sued to oblivion.

And this is more or less what I thought the situation was.

Thanks for the context

This is you defending someone who was anti-vax, politically conspiratorial (general Fox flavor, vote was rigged), and mocked people specifing their pronouns against consequences for sharing those opinions.

Maybe the issue here is that I’m not aware of all the things she’s said. Because all of that is news to me.

but boy would that be a short rope

That’s fair. Some people have more patience than others.

Even now, I’m trying my best to talk to you about this topic with kindness. Despite none of my comments or any other in this thread seemingly penetrating.

Again, you’re acting like I’m defending what Gina said, when I’m absolutely not. You’re acting like I’m saying she should be free of consequences, when I’m not. All I said was that I think Disney firing her (for what I thought was a single “edgy” tweet) was too harsh.

I don’t break bread with Nazi’s, I don’t respect racists

Ok, but neither do I.

I don’t make friends with homophobic people.

I don’t exactly go out of my way to make those kinds of friends, but it’s not exactly on my questionnaire when making new friends. However, I happen to know quite a few people that could be called homophobic.

But instead of writing them off, I try to be patient with them. If the topic comes up then I discuss it calmly, point out flaws in their thinking, and share my point of view.

If anyone came out in support of fundamentally evil concepts and I had the power to fire them, ostracize them, or make them feel unwelcome I would.

Then you are part of the problem. When people’s beliefs are so starkly attacked, they will get their backs up. That’s basic human psychology. Every person has a desire to feel belonging. So when they are attacked like that they will seek out validation with like minded groups. And that will only serve to reinforce their thinking and create echo chambers.

I’m trying to explain why it’s bad so that you can improve your perspective and do more good for the world.

I think you really don’t understand my perspective.

If someone is racist, you shouldn’t defend their beliefs and give them space to espouse them.

I absolutely do not, and at no point here on Lemmy (or ever in life) have implied that I defend someone who is racist. Where are you even getting that from?

This is an ultimate good for society.

Not in the way that you hope. All that will happen is those people will learn to hide their beliefs and will share them with like-minded people. And over time those ideas will spread.

Being patient with those kinds of people allows them to empathize with your viewpoint and associate the mindset with you yourself. But if you are aggressive and punitive towards them, then they’ll feel justified in their position and solidify it when they talk about it with their friends.

You have to start believing in protecting your community by abandoning the belief that anyone should be allowed to say and believe anything without suffering any consequences.

See, I never said no one should have consequences. So I have no idea why you took what I said to that extreme.

That’s a good way of phrasing it. Thanks.

That being said, no matter who I’m dealing with I always try to be respectful. So when I say I call someone out for being racist I don’t mean I call them a POS, I mean I outright tell them it’s disgusting and not ok, all the while being a respectable person.

I don’t consider calling someone out “treating them differently”, because I would do the same to anyone who says anything stupid. If you don’t say stupid things, then I don’t need to call you out. That’s not the same as treating them differently.

And if someone you know says racist shit

I’ll call them racist, tell them they’re horrible, and not hang out with them.

I think we’re agreeing on the fundamentals, but disagreeing on terminology.