For a small to medium sized business pfsense is the only solution that makes sense. The only requirement is that you have a actual sysadmin on staff and not a vendor jockey.

I worked for a ISP. A cable company. We were getting our local offair channels from a site that was in easy reception of them. They had a large amount of bandwidth and did the same thing for dish and direct tv. The man who ran network side had a stroke and died. The hack that ran the broadcast side of their main business took over. Next thing I know I’m having all kinds of problems with our multicast tunnel. I port scanned the IP range and discover they have opened the whole thing up. We had a conference call where I detailed my concerns. Later that day the hack called my boss with his boss on the line and we had another meeting where I told them that they were exposed with default passwords and it could be a real problem.

After I was given verbal permission to demonstrate my concerns with some limitations I took over all default password equipment and sent a large amount short stories to their printers. I ended it with the story superiority by Author C. Clark. Some back and forth a day later and they needed a new sysadmin.

I do a lot on this machine. The last three days I’ve been compiling openwrt for a extreme ap. They are a cloud ap and eol. I’ve compiled a firmware for them and put in a custom initial config so they will be in ap mode and will work when they are plugged up at a router with no config. We have thirty of them at work and are donating them. I am almost done since I’m changing the ssid and passwords for each of them. I do a lot with ubuntu and it just works. I have little time for people that insist that its somehow garbage.

So no details just a vague dislike.

Take any topic about anything and you can find people who dislike it. You have given no details and only offered generalizations while never mentioning any other distros problems. Absolutely nothing I could go look at and confirm. I’m sure it seem definitive to you but the rest of us want something other than opinion. Specific doesn’t mean the same thing to the rest of us.

Good day.

Being gay didn’t contribute to his death. How the state treated him when they found out did. Anytime his name comes up I think about how many horrible people there are in the world who just can’t let others be what they are . Fanatics are somewhat evil by nature.

Your right I don’t care. Fanatics care about things no one else does. I don’t have many bugs with ubuntu and any that I do are usually trivial. You keep saying its bad but its not my experience. My experience started with Slackware. I still have a Slackware box that I still compile my own kernel on from time to time to keep in the know on kernel changes. I’m not by any metric an amateur. I’m sure some of these bugs seem unique and are a major problem for you.

I’ve tried mint and wasted my time with arch. I’m installed them all. I’ve even created my own. None of them have ever brought anything game changing to the table. I’ve seen bugs with every distro. Somehow to you these bugs are worse. I can clearly see they are similar to other distros and the bugs they have.

In reference to what you prefer. Its clear you don’t prefer ubuntu and you have continually mentioned it. So don’t pretend you don’t have a preference. Disguising it as some general disdain on how canonical operates doesn’t negate its clearly your preference. You will not change my mind and I don’t want to change yours. You seem like you just can’t take I don’t care about how you see it any other way than personally.

Other linux companies? Of which I really only know of three in total all do things that people don’t like

Red Hat(IBM) killed centos and I moved all my servers over to straight debian the week after their announcement. I didn’t like it but I didn’t foam at the mouth about it. They also clamped down on their sources so fedora is going to become increasingly obscure. Kind of like SCO became. They wont die that death but I look at Red Hat as a dead end.

SUSE has never been a distro I’ve used. No reason really. I always had other options. Their decisions were business ones and therefore unpopular to some.

Canonical is doing it their way and they are doing a good job. You can’t deny that but Its clear you don’t like it. I would really like you to stop generalizing and give me a specific bug they have out of the box that isn’t tied to some specific hardware. I don’t pay for ESM but I use it since I only have two Ubuntu machines that I use personally.

In the unlikely event anyone else bothers to read this. I will speak to you what I’ve said elsewhere in this thread. Find something you like and stick with it and don’t let someone elses problem become yours.

I know a guy who ended up in bed with a twelve year old. She didn’t look twelve and didn’t act twelve. He ended up going in to the military to flee. He didn’t have to worry because of course this same girl ended up pregnant in less than a year.

Her story was all too common. She had been abused and trafficked from a very young age and had associated approval through sex. When this all came out her mom and step dad faced no consequences. They went out of their way to try to punish her. She ended up getting court ordered counseling which despite the parents continuing to try to interfere she got better.

She eventually ended up married to a pretty decent guy and they left for parts unknown a few years later. I don’t think she was quite eighteen when they left.

The scumbag parents are still around. They are considered fine christians in the community. After all they asked god for forgiveness. Not their victim mind you but god, so its all okay.

Its like the Babylon 5 curse. The curse is called life. Life leads to death for everyone.

I totally get you don’t like it but once again you are not giving me any reason why what you prefer is somehow better.

Can you show us on the doll where reality touched you?

Trey Parker despise atheists

Nah, they do however recognize that a atheist can be just as full of shit as a theist. That south park arc where they seem to make fun of athiest wasn’t doing anything of the sort. They were making fun of people and their beliefs. That even in a world where everyone is a athiest. People can still find something to fight about. If they would have made those episodes about any theist faith it would have just looked like things are today.

I don’t like vanilla gnome. Like I said the first thing I do with any debian installation I work on is install extensions.

Deregulation just for AI companies. Its still theft if a individual does it.

I’m wondering who gave these credit card companies the moral authority.

Ozzy isn’t the first person to die shortly after they completed a final task. No need to sully his legacy with unprovable speculation.

Europe is trying to solve their problems while we are just throwing fuel on the fire.

fedora is IBM and I kicked them to the curb for good when they killed centos.

Except I have no trouble replacing snaps. I only replace them when there is a need. I always add gnome extensions to mine. I like a little extra and I get it easily with ubuntu. If you are a individual user you can get the ESM updates for free and I do.

When one of the other distros demonstrates anything that I cant get with ubuntu I will move on. Until then I’ll keep using it because it keeps working.

That is the thing of it. I started with Slackware. Then Debian and moved to ubuntu. I’m still using ubuntu. I’ve loaded up some other distros but they bring nothing definitive to the table. I’ve installed pop os and it works. If it had existed when I moved away from slackware I might have picked it. If you are using it and its working for you why bother changing.

Give me a reason to change. It needs to be something real not something perceived.