Is there anything you’re seeing that indicates Hamas can accomplish anything other than getting more people killed?

Yes, Hezbollah, Hamas, the Houthis, and Iran often hit civilian targets. And not by accident, they actually target civilians.

How old are you?

I’m no spring chicken and that’s way before I was born.

So just give the terrorists whatever they want?

Why wouldn’t Hamas just recover their strength and do more terrorism in the future? If they can expect to always be given a way out, why would they ever stop their terrorist activity?

There’s a reason for the old saw “we don’t negotiate with terrorists.” And Hamas clearly doesn’t give a shit about the lives of Palestinian civilians, so what’s the end game? Or do you not want it to end and just be Hamas terrorism forever?

Hamas has been doing this for decades now. October 7 was obviously beyond anything else they did before but Hamas firing rockets at civilian population centers, Hamas taking hostages has sadly been a commonplace thing for a long time. If you’re not aware, Yahya Sinwar was a prisoner that was previously released in exchange for hostages. Then he planned the October 7 attack. So Israel releases some more Yahya Sinwars in exchange for hostages and then what? In a decade or two we do this thing all over again?

If I’m clicking around on a website and find a gallery of images, that’s something I’m supposed to have access to. If I start typing in URLs that aren’t linked anywhere on the site, then I’m accessing stuff the site hasn’t explicitly indicated I have access to. If I’m doing this with the intent of getting data and distributing to others, then yeah that would be illegal.

The law allows for someone to exercise judgement. The people who do this are not so coincidentally called Judges. If the 4chan guys had have been white hat and reported the issue to the site owners, then they’d be fine. But it’s obvious to anyone their intent was to get private information, they poked around to find some private information, and then distributed that private information to others causing a privacy violation. Yes, it was easier to do than it should have been, but it’s obvious they had malicious intent and it’s obvious they were accessing information they weren’t supposed to access.

A crime being really easy to commit doesn’t make it no longer a crime. Many times I’ve seen things that I could easily steal, but I don’t steal things when I have an opportunity to do so because a) stealing is wrong and b) saying “they just left this thing out there in a place anyone could steal it” would not be any kind of legal defense. Simply because you’re presented an opportunity to do a crime doesn’t mean it’s acceptable to do a crime, both legally and morally speaking.

You can’t defend the actions of Hamas you only know how to attack Israel. Why are you incapable of criticizing Hamas?

Right now it’s not all that different from how Germans kept fighting in WWII even when it was obvious they’d lose. It’s tragic how people can become so indoctrinated in hatred they can’t end a war when their cities are completely destroyed, there is zero chance they can win, they only thing they can accomplish is getting more people (mostly their own) killed. But they continue to fight out of hatred or some insane idea that it’s somehow honourable to get their own people killed or whatever. Even after Hitler offed himself, Germans kept on fighting and people kept on dying.

The leaders of Hamas are all dead, their cities are bombed to shit, but Hamas still holds onto the hostages to keep the war going. Why?

Look at the photos of Gaza. This is the accomplishment of the “al-aqsa flood” of Hamas. Was it worth it? Did Hamas do anything good for the Palestinian people?

Hamas has always been extreme in rhetoric, but the violence afaik began when Israel

Apparently you’re too young to remember the Hamas suicide bombings in the 1990s.

I think you should do a little more reading on this subject.

So you’re good with Palestinians suffering so these nutjobs can have a “bargaining chip”? You’re good with Palestinians suffering so some nutjobs can have revenge?

Did you miss the part where Iran brags about their “Axis of Resistance”?

They also officially state they want to “wipe Israel off the map” while developing nuclear weapons. So they explicitly want to be an existential threat to Israel.

Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis are all Iranian proxies. That’s not me saying that, that’s Iran stating that. They’re all tentacles of the Ayatollah’s regime. Most of the problems in the Middle East can be traced to Iranians using Arabs as cannon fodder to further their petty hatred of Israel.

Yes Hamas wants their imprisoned members released to replenish the ranks.

You do know that Yahya Sinwar was released in a previous exchange of prisoners for hostages, right? Some people claim that Israel propped up Hamas with these kinds of negotiations.

There have been a few times in this war there has been ceasefires with hostages exchanged for prisoners. Hamas eventually stops releasing hostages and the conflict resumes. The IDF ends up just fighting the Hamas fighters released causing more death and destruction.

Also Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza about two decades ago. But then Hamas got into power with a plurality of the vote and have been constantly attacking Israel ever since. It doesn’t seem like Hamas wants sovereignty, they could have had that if they wanted it. Hamas wants violence because that’s how they maintain power. Violence against Israel and violence against their own people.

You also have access to a search engine, you could use to find out what Hamas really is. They aren’t freedom fighters, they’re an oppressive regime that uses violence to maintain power that’s propped up by Iran.

Nothing Hamas is negotiating for is for the benefit of the Palestinian people. They’re only negotiating for their own interests while Palestinians suffer.

Terrible analogy. You have permission to read books in a library.

Forgetting to lock your door isn’t granting permission to people enter your house, and it doesn’t grant people permission to take your valuables. It may be neglectful to leave your door unlocked, but it doesn’t imply granting permission to enter your house.

Same goes with computer security. Leaving your computer insecure may be neglectful, but it does not imply someone has permission to take your data.

Where are you getting this 1/5 number? According to the Gaza Health Ministry casualties are somewhere around 60K.

Are you claiming that the Gaza Health Ministry is lying?

Also why would you assume Israel is going to stop the war if Hamas doesn’t release the hostages? Our goal is to end the war isn’t it? How do you imagine the war ending while Hamas continues holding hostages?

Hamas massacred villages. I think a it takes a real rube to believe a group that massacres entire villages would never lie to you.

Bargaining chip for what? What is the goal of Hamas at this point, other than to continue the conflict indefinitely?

Yeah, if I leave my house door wide open for a few weeks and I get robbed, it’s still burglary.

She’s a convicted child sex trafficker, but I’m sure telling a lie is a line she just wouldn’t cross!

Yes, and insulting people instead of responding to what they said is the height of maturity.

They are called colonists because in your information bubble that’s the worst thing anyone could ever be. If you were terming the settlers in the West Bank to be colonizers, sure I could understand that.

But I think you mean all Israelis are colonizers (even those who are just living where they were born) as a way to dehumanize Israelis and to rationalize the ethnic cleansing of Jews.

Hamas tortures people to death if they criticize them.

You may be in an information silo and not aware of how oppressive Hamas truly is.

There is a movement in Gaza that’s against Hamas, but because of the whole thing of Hamas torturing people to death, it’s hard for that movement to gain traction.

Hamas could end this war at any time if they released the hostages. If you were witnessing extreme hardship of your people and you could end it, why wouldn’t you? Holding those hostages is a war crime, every day they continue to hold them they are continuing their war crimes. Why wouldn’t Hamas release the hostages if they truly believed this was a genocide?

For sure. The sentiment from the ending of the episode was that it may be the last episode of South Park.

A news article from more than a century ago?

Do we really need to crack open some dusty history books and go over the decline of the Ottoman Empire?