Pup Biru

the most right wing people I know are PhD candidates in philosophy. They are huge proponents of the arts. They would argue that the anti-arts sentiment in the Republican Party today comes from their embrace of the working class and is not a traditional conservative value.

i think that this comes down to terminology and communication… generally in the world today, “right wing” encompasses social and economic conservatism. when i say right wing (as an aussie), im talking about both the republican party, and the australian Liberal/national coalition (bearing in mind that the capital L liberal in their name means economic liberalism - aka libertarian)

i agree with a lot of right wing values, BUT im much more left, because whilst i think that economy and currency are important to produce left wing (for everyone) values, it fails to account for negative externalities (which includes both social, and economic economic externalities… and honestly social negative externalities lead to economic externalities)

“right wing” today in general communication, imo, means something different to what right wing meant during the french revolution

Arts encompasses all of the subjects outside of STEM so STEAM just means “all subjects” which is not something you can focus on by definition.

it doesn’t though… business (including both accounting and management), hospitality, trades, law, marketing, psych, teaching… i hesitate to include nursing but not medicine, but there’s a grey area there… and i didn’t even start to list trades and things in australia that aren’t “university” but covered by “TAFE”

STEAM is almost… secondary value: by default (except tech and eng perhaps?) they don’t produce value, but are important precursors that feed INTO the other things. you have to value the precursors, else the other “value makers” don’t have a foundation

there’s a reason that the acronym is STEAM now. the arts are just as important as science, tech, engineering and maths (both for society and culture at large, but more specifically it’s been shown that music helps people with learning other academic concepts). the right sees the only value in society as that which produces direct economic value. it’s a right wing meme because it paints the arts as a waste of time, and economic management as important

it’s a religious site … fuckit

i believe this is what they’re referring to. it’s specifically an atheist take; it’s just not a very nice one

i generally have disdain for religious crap, but do agree that simply writing people beliefs off as open for dumping waste on is probably not in the spirit of live and let live

the absolutely wild thing about this is that australia is/was also complaining about a cost of living crisis, and our food is $ for $ roughly the same… as in our numeric value for food is the same - despite our currency being worth about 2/3 as much

this doesn’t mean that australia has our cost of living crisis easy… it means that americas food prices are ultra fucked

https://links.coles.com.au/hRXTKkT7aVb

Coles No Added Hormone Beef 3 Star Regular Mince: $7/500g (1lb ~= 450g)

(at time of writing, that beef in the photo costs about $10AUD/500g, or our beef mince costs $4.50USD)

attention? who does that? i can say for certain i don’t know a single person… i hate being late (and frequently am). it’s awkward and embarrassing and nothing else

the “i dress myself and everyone around me is too afraid to tell me it looks like shit”?

the best irony considering the qanon pizza pedo crazy bullshit

want to? i think most people want to, but if you come to a deal and then mango Mussolini has a tantrum then it’s out the window and there will be some sort of retribution, and then if you decide to scrap the deal there will likely be more so you’re in a worse case than if you’d made no deal at all

deals are built on trust, and the US has no trust left any more… that’s kinda the point: the US is entirely where it is on the world stage because of post-war trust and stability. the power of the US is given to it by its allies… throwing all that out didn’t just prove that trump is untrustworthy and unstable, but that the world was wrong to place trust in the stability of the entire system that the US is built on. watch how well that system fares when all the power collapses because without everyone paying deference, that power is non-existent

requires foreign investors to partner with Chinese nationals in order to own and operate capital

this also means that chinese companies are notorious for stealing IP. it’s easy to be cheap when you don’t do the R&D - you just fast track to producing the product

It doesn’t make ours any better or cheaper, just everything else more expensive.

it also makes your domestic products more expensive because cars etc still have to source components and industrial machines from internationally so it’s tariffs all the way down

content is only 1 category of website

ecommerce drives all the advertising that funds content… it’s a much bigger market, and they don’t care about content scraping as long as you buy their product

i didn’t dodge the question… i’m saying the question is rooted firmly in your definition and is therefore not something that i think is valid…. and your use of “reasonable” is just saying you think anyone that disagrees with you is unreasonable… charged end emotive: not intended to discuss, but to persuade regardless of truth

i don’t think percentage is a useful distinction… how do you measure that? by lines of code? by behavioural traits? my point throughout this discussion is that it’s not as clean as any of that

as i said: its its own thing… it is neither linux, debian, nor is it freebsd… in the same way that android is an operating system distinct from other flavours of linux

i certainly don’t agree that system utilities and libraries are outside of that limit and said as much when i commented on Debian GNU/kFreeBSD: its its own thing… its neither debian, nor freebsd. it is however based on both

the gui is definitively part of the operating system - confirmed by that wikipedia page that you linked (though i’d say only in the case where the gui is heavily tied to the default configuration of the OS like windows, macos, android, etc), and that’s nowhere near the kernel

and my point is that these things aren’t definitions that have particularly concrete categories… an operating system is not a single thing: it can be many different things which include things like GUIs even… as much as we try to fit the world into neat little boxes, that’s just not how things work

even the categories of operating systems is messy: take single user vs multi user… macos is single user, but openbsd is multi user… in the beginning, the kernel was largely the same but due to the system tools and configuration, macos became a different classification of operating system

it’s all super messy, and saying that windows vista and windows 11 are the same operating system is extremely reductive

okay, sorry i got the kernel and system tools mixed up in my head after reading it. that proves nothing other than the fact that you’re looking for a gotcha rather than a serious discussion

But the common understanding is a bit different than yours.

the common understanding is that android is a different operating system to ubuntu, and macos is a different operating system to openbsd

Would Debian GNU/kFreeBSD be 50% Linux, 50% FreeBSD under your definition even though it has no Linux code?

it is what it is: a completely different thing… BSD system tools with a linux kernel

an operating system is comprised of the kernel, as well as system libraries and system utilities… user space is irrelevant to the classification of what is and isn’t an operating system: the concept of user space doesn’t even exist in some operating systems

the concept of a kernel isn’t even useful to define operating systems… look at things like ROS for example

an operating system is far more than just the kernel

there are few people who would say that android is the same operating system as ubuntu

people need to learn that the way you deal with bullies is everyone stands together and say fuck off with that shit

if you capitulate, you get bullied some more