I personally cringe when I hear a friend js having a kid. All I can think of is how bad theyre going to have it. Hell id definitely have been better off being born 20 years earlier, but these new kids are REALLY screwed unless they have super rich parents.
“Nothing new under the sun” I suppose!
If we dont pass the torch only the rich will. Is that a world we want to fortify? I’d rather not. Someone has to oppose them. Thats our and our children’s fight as the world begins to wane.
That’s our fight—not our unborn childrens’.
Having a child for any purpose other than the flourishing and well-being of that child has always struck me as a deeply flawed decision. If your child doesn’t want to fight for a world they never knew, all you’ve birthed is misery.
Mate, we have to create the environment to flourish. I never said it was fair. I never said it was right. But look at the world around you. Someone has to pick up the banner, and we won’t be here forever. You still have to kindle hope.
Also, some people fuck and kids get made, and thats just life.
Amen.
If we try and leave the world better than we found it then we can make space for kids to flourish. Thats our obligation to them.
But we have to actually try, even when it’s hard or inconvenient or unfair.
I can’t wrap my head around this. I’m choosing not to have kids because I can’t imagine explaining to them some day why I chose to bring them into the world.
Not every child is planned
Right, and that’s all well and good, but not what I was talking about.
Okay? I fail to see the relevance of your comment then. Its about how we feel of the children born today. Not how you feel about having children. The children dont have to be your’s. They’re going to be born whether you approve or not. Giving them a reason to have hope is still a choice you can make.
Obviously my answer to OP’s question is “Yes”. Now can we have a conversation with more nuance?
I tried but you couldn’t wrap.your head around it
But you just gave the same reasons people have been giving forever. That’s not very nuanced. Things are measurably different now If you’re using the same perspective thinking about this that our parents did, then we’re truly getting nowhere
Edit: Or maybe what you’re saying is we need to have kids so they can be raised to be some kind of revolutionary super soldiers?
All I’m saying is the fight is coming whether you want it or not. Its at the point where this affects all living things, and the perpetrators don’t care and won’t stop. Whether you have kids or not, there will still be children. Therefore, you still have a choice to inspire hope in them or not even if you can’t understand why people would have children in this time.
If only the rich procreate then the kids of the rich must work farms.
And we’re fighting this fight by breeding more wageslaves for the capitalists?
I don’t mean to be as dramatic as this comes off, but I don’t understand this logic. You don’t work extra hard when you want to stick it to the rich, you don’t work at all, i.e. go on strike. People not having kids would make sense as a strike of sorts.
Okay and how does people having children automatically force them into wage slavery? Its not a forgone conclusion by any means. Your kid could be the kid who picks up the pieces of capitalism and forges it into an equitable society. We just don’t know. So why give in? Why give up on these children before they’ve truly had their chance? As I said in another comment, you might not have them but children will continue to be born regardless. Might as well foster some hope and kindness. Like Gandalf said, do the little things that keep the darkness at bay.
So are you implying that you’d only have kids if you could ensure they’d be bourgeoisie, exploiting others for their own benefits?
I think the society fixing angle is naive. I sure wasn’t that kid, I don’t know anyone else who is, and now there’s some kids who seem to be doing the opposite.
“Kindness” is weapons grade copium. Think of it instead like your average CFD bet or any other financial investment - first the fundamentals must be sound, then you invest, not the other way around - you wouldn’t invest in a failing business just in case it could turn around, unless you’re private equity and have other private equity firms lining up for your sucker special suite of bang-em-and-bin-em retirement home joints.
I’ve never seen hobbit/lord of rings and I don’t watch or care for fantasy. You don’t keep darkness at bay - you stare right into the void and grab it by the balls, then you invest.
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I’m implying that children are participants in the class war by simply existing, and that nobody will stop children from existing. I am hoping that they fight the capitalists destroying everything. Good talk.
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What are you on about? Nobody gets to choose to be born or where they are. You can’t just say “everyone is burger-z because they exist and that brings wages down.” That shit doesnt make any sense. They are children. They dont even have fucken jobs to push wages down with.
There will be no rich people if the poor people don’t procreate.
Thats why Elon has an army of surrogates right?