• glitchdx@lemmy.world
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      2 days ago

      I’ll believe it when I see it. Not to say that I’m not willing to give it a shot, fuck knows what we’re doing now isn’t fucking working.

      • RedPostItNote@lemmy.world
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        We have never found a perfect political/economic system. That’s why it’s so important that we continue to evolve what we have to be better. I feel like this has stalled out in this country and we are seeing the fallout live.

      • Banana@sh.itjust.works
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        22 hours ago

        You realize there are currently concentration camps in the US eating Americans’ tax dollars right?

        The problems that the soviet union had weren’t exclusive to communism, they were exclusive to corruption.

        While either system can become corrupted by bad actors, ideologically, capitalism rewards selfishness, and individualism, while communism encourages sharing and community.

        At its base, capitalism is literally impossible without exploitation of the surplus value workers create. Capitalism cannot exist without profit, and profit cannot exist without stealing money from workers.

        • Valmond@lemmy.world
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          Stop taking everyone for an American.

          Also: you just had to shoehorn in a whatabout the USA in there hadn’t you. Got no other arguments? 😁

      • punksnotdead@slrpnk.net
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        22 hours ago

        And Guantanamo Bay, black sites, Alligator Auschwitz, and the American prison population confirms the downsides of capitalism?

        One shit iteration of “communism” that by definition didn’t meet any of the requirements to be called communism can’t be held up forever to be the boogeyman to prevent progress.

        Communism (from Latin communis ‘common, universal’)[1][2] is a sociopolitical, philosophical, and economic ideology within the socialist movement,[1] whose goal is the creation of a communist society, a socioeconomic order centered on common ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange that allocates products in society based on need.[3][4][5] A communist society entails the absence of private property and social classes,[1] and ultimately money[6] and the state.[7][8][9]

        The USSR:

        • Common ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange - not achieved, state owned but not common owned
        • Allocates products in society based on need - not achieved
        • Absence of private property - partially achieved, state owned
        • Absence of social classes - not achieved
        • Absence of money - not achieved
        • Absence of the state - fucking lol

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

      • FlyingCircus@lemmy.world
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        Someone has filled your head with propaganda.

        The gulags were the just the name of their prison system and most of them were actually west of the Caucasus.

        Oh, and America now imprisons more people (by numbers and per capita) than the USSR ever did.

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          22 hours ago

          Also America’s prison system is for profit, encouraging them to incarcerate as many people as possible.

        • Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de
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          You are at beast don’t know what you’re talking about. Иисправительно-трудовые лагерея (ЛАГ in GULAG) are specifically, namely, explicitly concentration camps that used forced labour to kill people. It’s very distinct from the regular prison system, which used inhuman conditions to kill people at lower rates.

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          The gulags were concentration camps my dude, people got sent there for breaking laws like “criticism of the government”. Most “prisoners” died there.

          Also, you just couldn’t not make a “whatabout the USA” lol. Such a trope.

          • tane@lemmy.zip
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            Ah yes when discussing history you can only discuss the specific time period and CANNOT make any comparisons to modern day otherwise some idiot lemmy computer janitor will say it’s a trope or a fallacy or some stupid shit