Why is everyone jumping to the psychopath narrative? Is there background on this guy? Why bring up crying children? This feels like a Phy Op to me and some people replying in this post are glowing a bit…
Edit: Finally after everyone spent all day being mad at me for asking for information, one of you got me some. Thanks alekwithak!
Because killing animals, especially over petty shit, and especially especially in front of others while disregarding their reactions is literally psychopath shit. Your insistence that this is some kind of ‘Phy Op’ just makes you look like one, too. Edit: and to call people out for ‘glowing’ is not helping your case, either.
How do we know they intended to kill the bird and not give it a light bonk? Where did you see he disregarded their reactions?
Have you simply never used your hands to do anything before? Or maybe you were born without hands?
I’m just wondering how a human reaches adulthood without understanding what will happen when you nunchuk a seagull into a wall.
So your implying he used full force? How do you know that, is there a video?
So you’ve never used your hands to do anything before, got it.
Are you AI? This is a level of not understanding human strength that seems very ‘I am not human’.
Wait so you’re saying everything you do is full force?
In my experience I can adjust the power and speed I use to do things. This must be blowing your mind.
Imagine making a mistake, it couldn’t be this guy — this guy only takes W’s and can perfectly control his body. Down to his fucking heart rate like Hannibal, wow — us lowly mortals will never compare to the guy with volume sliders on his muscles.
Wtf is this argument? Swinging things applies other forces besides your own power and speed, and since you brought up those two forces you must realize there’s a minimum of both that must be applied in order to swing an object properly and you’d also know full well as Newton’s third law of motion dictates that when said swinging object meets the object at rest that the sum of those forces will be exerted back onto the swinging object. Every choice made equals bird death. He didn’t flick it on the nose, he didn’t show it up slightly, he didn’t swing it into some software brush or a beach ball or an elastic fence, he swung it into a brick wall. A + B = C. Anything else is just conjecture on your end, made in some vain attempt to justify brutish thuggery just because the victim was an animal you don’t respect.
Try it yourself. Get about two feet of rope or something. Tie an egg to the end. See exactly how much speed and power you have to use to get it to properly swing. Then swing it into a brick wall and try not to break the egg. Make sure to film the attempt, I’d love to see it.
"I heard one of the mums say “why did you do that in front of my child?” and he said “it’s vermin, you should teach your children about vermin”
I said ‘why did you do that’ and he just shrugged his shoulders and walked away’
Sounds like a great guy. He’s lucky to have you here defending him for some reason.
Yeah, because killing a huge fucking seagull in front of kids is a totally normal thing to do.
So all not normal things are psychotic?
No but brutally killing an animal in public in front of children is.
Ah, so now we have to figure out if there was intent kill let alone intent to brutally kill. I think this thread is where I am having this discussion , but let me know if you think it is too far off and want to start your own.
Tbh, I don’t care what the “intent” was. Swinging an animal by its feet into a wall because it stole your chips is an entirely inappropriate response.
Like if you kicked a dog in the head because it peed in your lawn. It’s a disgusting and very much non-proportional response.
Ok, to be clear. Your argument is that accidently killing a bird makes you a psychopath. Do I have that right?
Yeah! Like that!
He accidentally grabbed the bird’s legs, accidentally hulk-smashed it into a wall, accidentally got its blood on his chips, which he accidentally ate while smirking.
You’re winning, keep talking!
That’s crazy behavior honestly. Don’t let that guy have access to kids, they wouldn’t make it long.
What he did was wrong, a bit because of the animal and a lot because of the spectators. It did not suffer, it was quick. It does however feel a bit like cognitive dissonance to strongly disapprove of his actions, while we systematically without any good reason eat animals and have them in small confined areas for optimal meat production per sqm. Vegans and vegetarians however, they can judge him all they want 😉 I am not one of them
You don’t know it didn’t suffer and he didn’t kill it so that he could eat it (I’m disagreeing with you on the “cognitive dissonance” thing).
Also im not sure if you are saying that you dont judge him for what he did or just saying youre not vegan, but doing as he did is judge worthy.
Of course he should not have done this. What I am saying is that eating meat when we clearly don’t need to is also unnecessary killing. So he killed an animal for no good reason, and we kinda do the same. We have more ethical foods available for us, but we like the taste of meat, and don’t care enough about their suffering. Except for those that abstain from meat.
Let’s think about it cold. Kill seagull -> no witnesses, and the next seagull might do the same. I mean, let’s get on his level of apeshit crazy, and let’s assume seagulls actually understand stuff like humans, morals, and above all, human morals, and on top of that, they even care about those and want to comply. You didn’t give it a lesson, because it died before it could learn from it, or before it could let the other seagulls know it’s not cool to steal chips.
Hell, even when I’m trying to get on his level, it’s still primitively dumb.
If a seagull is stealing chips from someone, odds are there are plenty of other seagulls around to witness their compatriot getting merked.
Seagulls understand that stealing from humans is risky - that’s why they generally do it very quickly. The ones who fail suffer consequences for their failure, same as stealing food from any other creature. It’s the risk/reward calculation any scavenger has to make.
Sometimes they calculate incorrectly. They get forcibly removed from the gene pool.
Of course, it’s also illegal in a lot of countries to harm seagulls, so in that sense, he was in the wrong anyways.
It’s not about morals that the seagulls can understand. It is not about teaching something. He acted like a moron and completely disproportionately. However it’s not that much unethical than killing for meat, when we don’t need to eat meat.
It shows anger issues and a proloclivity towards disproportionate retribution. Most people wouldn’t kill an animal for a simple chip/fry heist.
He should not have. But we kill animals all the time simply for eating meat, because we think that tastes a bit better. We don’t need to inflict suffering on animals for years, we can abstain from meat. How are we more moral? Just because we outsource the killing? I so not condone his actions, just point out that we are not better.
I think there is a substantial difference though. Meat processing is done in a measured, considered way for a benefit (meat) that cannot be obtained without killing the animal. It is done in isolated facilities away from people who find the process disturbing. Just because people find something gross doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be done - we have sewage maintenance done out of the public eye too - but it does maybe mean it should be done where people don’t have to see it. The only benefit this man gets from killing the animal is some sort of “revenge”. But this is in principle completely contradictory to meat processing, where animals are seen as less capable of higher order experiences and therefore more acceptable to kill. To seek revenge, you would need to be assigning more higher order experience to the seagull than we typically see it as having. You have to see the seagull as selfish, stealing, criminal, rude, etc., even though in reality a more reasonable person understands that it’s just an animal looking for food. Meat processing is not done out of some emotional vendetta against the animals, rather it is the cold detachment of it that is exactly what makes it acceptable. Can you imagine if we killed the same amount of chickens every day, not to eat them, but just because we hate them? This is much more horrifying! Because that would mean we think chickens are having complex enough inner experiences to warrant hatred, yet still we kill them.
Meat processing maybe isn’t great, but it’s still much better than this seagull killer. It isn’t impulsive, it isn’t disproportionate in response to the situation, it acknowledges and conceals its own horrors; thereby paying respect to important social codes. The actions of this man, though, disregarded the well-being of children and others around him, in an impulsive and disproportionate response - your average meat-eater is indeed better than that, I think. When I have a craving for some meat, I don’t drag a calf down to the nearest playground, cut it in half and spray blood over the children, and proceed to mock the calf’s weakness and inferiority as I beat it to tenderize it before consumption. I just want some food, dude. But what’s this guy’s beef? It’s not beef, and it’s not even seagull meat, but rather some frightening notion of swift and decisive revenge, which reveals that he is just waiting for any excuse to get away with brutalizing things around him.
I think you might be debating a person who may refuse to acknowledge the points of their opponents. If they come back again, just sit it out.
I am judging the extreme level of force after something so minor as a stolen chip.
I know what you mean, it’s disproportionate as hell. I am just saying that we aren’t much better morally than him. Unless we abstain from meat.
Not only is he cruel, he is actually participating in making more powerful Seagulls, the surviving seagulls will be the ones that can steal chips and survive being thrown at a wall. Beware the terminator seagull soon attacking your chips, the walls will not survive!
Labour’s weak attitude to immigration is to blame here just letting these thieves just fly into the country!
Humans:
- Takes all the fish for themselves
- has bussiness dump to birds perfectly edible but to humans not commercially pretty enough fish bits in the trash.
- builds apartments on the gulls original habitat
“wHy Do ThESe SEaguLl KeEP STEalinG FrOm Us”
I also grew up at the coast and yes they are a menace. But as the saying goes fuck around, find out.
Imagine if we restored and maintained the habitat and did a daily collection of fish waste to dump near that habitat.
They’re also a “menace” because many people actively feed them. It’s the same as ducks following people around expecting bread.
Exc-fucking-actly. I’m horrified by how many people here think that animal cruelty is okay when you don’t like the said animal.
If you hurt animals, you suck.
I see the fediverse is composed almost entirely of vegetarians. Feeling bad for a winged rat? Honestly? It’s not like this man is just going around killing animals like Baron Trump…
I live in the French equivalent of NYC rat wise and trust me, either my cat or I get rid of the pests quickly.
If you have no empathy for animals just trying to do their thing, that is a good indicator that you’ll lack empathy for people as well.
I understand they’re trying to do their thing, and that’s what happens. He’s not going around torturing birds for his entertainment. And here I’m entirely on the side of humanity, lol, what? I feel bad for the dude, his day was probably ruined.
You’re a fucking crybaby, you fucking crybaby.
If his day is ruined by losing a bit of food, he needs to find someone to talk to about mental health. No one should be that close to the edge of violent response.
He got violently assaulted by a seagull and had a gut reaction with a seagull. I know you wanna equate it semantically to people being problematic with people but, again, unless you’re even more peaceful and selfless than Aang from ATLA, you’re just being emotionally hypocritical. Had he eaten the seagull or composted it to reduce waste, what would the problem be?
I’m sorry. I’ve had gut reactions before. Normal humans will swat or punch things.
It takes thought to grab it by the legs, and slap it on a wall.
But yeah, if it was just some unconscious reaction, then whatever. But in that case, I’m curious why a fuckin ninja is among the regular population.
Do ypu think we are in a war against seagulls?
His day was ruined by his own actions, not the loss of a chip. Are you fucking dense?
??? He got assaulted by a winged rat. I’m about to eat chicken right now. It seems like you have a lot of feelings and that’s actually nice and sweet but the direction is wrong IMO.
You could have just answered the question about being dense with a yes.
He got assaulted
???
You’re a gross person
Go talk to your plants, I bet they’re the only ones who tolerate you. 😤
Why are you randomly murdering animals you do not plan on eating? Your cat has instincts to kill so they get a pass but what is your excuse?
Do you not get that killing a seagull like this is not a good thing?
It’s really not a big deal, and I don’t understand why it should be. He had a moment of anger (very valid) and what I assume was an immediate, unthinking violent reaction (also understandable but it might have scared some people around, which is not as cool), else the bird would’ve just flown away. I feel bad for the kids watching it, but more so for the dude who just wanted to eat chips in peace. A bird is a bird, and he’s not going around exterminating all birds in existence. Use your heart to give homeless people money, to raise abandoned kids and to stop imperialism and genocide.
I would argue the moment of anger bit wasn’t valid or rational.
I don’t think you should be giving anyone advice.
I think you expect too much of people in that case. Idk what tribe you’re from (I can guess), but I hope you come from a land of peace loving, vegetarian erudites.
Please guess what “tribe” I am from
What about this was “random?”
“ I live in the French equivalent of NYC rat wise and trust me, either my cat or I get rid of the pests quickly. “
That’s the part Im addressing with my comment about random killing. I’m not talking about the article.
Again, purposeful pest removal is not “random.”
That entirely depends on why you are killing these animals. If you are just killing rats or seagulls outside your home, that is random killing.
Would you like it if someone grabbed you by your feet and killed you by swinging you into a wall? What the fuck is wrong with you?
Well, I’m not going up to people and stealing their shit
You’ve never stolen anything, even as a teenager?
What kind of childhood did you have where you think it’s normal to mug people as a teenager?
Like threatening people or just snatching stuff like a seagull?
Bahaha I fully support his actions. Fucking prick seagull fucked around and found out.
ahaha animal cruelty funny
The next person who disagrees with you should do the same thing. Fucking psychos
I dont think you should call others psycho after fantasizing about their death.
Fucking psycho deserves the same treatment. Gross person
