I feel like the people I interact with irl don’t even know how to boot from a USB. People here probably know how to do some form of coding or at least navigate a directory through the command line. Stg I would bet money on the average person not even being able to create a Lemmy account without assistance.

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    Don’t worry, my fair tech-literate maiden. I, a tech-dyslexic, am here to bring down the collective IQ and make the chamber echo less. You can thank me later, for adding some much needed intellectual diversity to the mix.

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    The average person can’t even download the right authenticator app when prompted. The average person can’t type their password the same way two times in a password change field. The average person does not know how to plug monitors and peripherals into a docking station.

    Whatever you think the average skill level is? It’s lower than that. By a lot.

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    This is true but I ultimately don’t care.

    Is there any social media site that isn’t an echo chamber? They’re designed that way on purpose in most cases.

    There are enough forums catering to idiots. I appreciate the better moderation, tech savviness, and lack of tolerance for right wing BS on Lemmy.

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    Relevant xkcd: Average familiarity

    You severly overestimate the average persons tech literacy even when you try to correct for it. Booting from USB is already a really advanced topic.

    Though creating a lemmy account is not that complex. Typically all you have to do is fill out a form on the websiten instructions included. The problem there is not the tech literacyn but the willingness of the people to even interact with systems they don’t know, like finding a home instance or understanding the concept of the fediverse. Most people could create a lemmy account, though also most people wouldn’t.

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    Linux is second nature to us geeks, so it’s easy to forget that the average person probably knows just Ubuntu or Fedora.

    And Debian GNU/Linux, of course.

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    I lived in a tech echo chamber until I was in my 30s. This is because my dad is a baby boomer computer engineer who was working with computers since the 70s and we always had a computer at home (no consoles, just computers). First was a c64, we even briefly had a c128 (that didn’t work) and then we got a 386 followed by pentium machines and we first hooked up to the internet in the 90s… and before the internet we went on dial up BBSes run by ultra nerds.

    My dad still keeps up with tech and is probably better with computers than many recent CS graduates. It wasn’t until I worked in tech support that I realized… Holy shit! There are people who have no idea their computers have directories! As in, if the shortcut isn’t on their desktop, then their program might as well not exist.

    Also one thing I learned that if you tell someone to go to a site and you spell the URL to them, then 99.9% of the time they will Google it, because they don’t know what an address bar is.

    I used to think those ‘how to use a computer’ courses in college were a giant waste of time (and an easy A for people like us) but I realize that these people could absolutely benefit from something like that.

    And that is when I was working with people who had laptops mostly. When I worked in mobile tech support… fuck me! Do you realize that for a sizable chunk of the population the only computer they have is their smart phone? Those people are far, far worse. When I worked in mobility we were not allowed to hang up on clients for any reason (it was grounds for immediate termination) but at least a few times a week I had to deal with a client who did not know how to hang up their phone! No joke. They were accustomed to the other person hanging up and they didn’t know how to do it!

    This is doubly frustrating when those people are using flip phones rhat have a clear hang up button on them.

    So yeah, acknowledging we are in a bubble is a good thing. But it isn’t a bad thing to hang out with fellow tech nerds either.

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    Not me. I am so out of the loop here. But I loved the social aspect of reddit and was on it long enough to know how great it was when it was young. Hoping to find that here.

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      Honestly, Lemmy does have a lot of the early Reddit vibes. Reddit was largely started as a programming forum, and this user base definitely has a lot of similar traits.

      And if you start using user tags, (not native to Lemmy, but most clients have the functionality added,) you’ll realize just how active users are, and how tight-knit the comments sections really are. I often end up finding myself responding to the same 10-20 users.

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            I can understand why. I’ve only been on here 2 months and can think if a half a dozen users I’d like to tag so I know not to waste my time trying to have a discussion with them.

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        Can anyone recommend a good Lemmy client for Linux? Bonus points if it works well in portrait mode.

        I am on Pop!_OS 22.04 and the only apps in the COSMIC Store are Interstellar and Lemonade.

        Interstellar seems fine but if there is a way to tag users in it I can’t seem to figure it out, it also seems designed for Landscape mode and it’s a little cramped on my second monitor.

        Lemonade hasn’t been updated since October of 2023, so I’m a little wary of trying that one out. I can’t even tell if they are still developing it or something called Ouch Browser, if its the same project with a new name, or just abandoned alltogether.

        I know there are other Lemmy Apps but I am a little lost tbh.

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        I had a few - not a lot, but some - user notes, but recently switched phones (and to GrapheneOS) and lost them. I used and use Connect, which does have an export/import process, but when I start it I can’t find a way to actually begin the export, i.e. generate the file.

        As such, I’m stuck recreating notes by hand. Still, I enjoy creating new ones, as I just did for you, and I love the aspect of Lemmy that you described.

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        then it just became an aggregate forum where you can discuss many niches without being censured like with alot forums from a single mod/owner.

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      NGL, a lot of my relative tech literacy comes from just seeing all the programming posts too and getting curios.

      Just the other day i learned that there is so called “snowflakes” that apprently work as a way to enter the tor network by pretending to be a video call. Crazy cool stuff some people come up with.

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    The way I look at it is, the more echo chambers you are in and out of, the more complete of a picture you can get as a whole.

    Yes, Lemmy is a certain kind of echo chamber. But you can’t really be part of an online community these days that doesn’t tend toward becoming one.

    You just have to diversify to keep the thread. And Lemmy is a very important part of that diversification for me.

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    Why would normal people know how to boot from usb? Shit, if you clean the ads out of a windows start menu, a normie will think you’re a wizard for doing the inconceivable.

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    you are 100% correct, however, the longer im here, the more tech literate i become, the easier it becomes for me to explain it to others, and thus, the fediverse grows. word of mouth to those willing to take the plunge.

    you cant force people to learn something, but being able to sell it convincingly helps, especially if you know what you are talking about, and arent abbrasive or judgemental.

    linux community / privacy communities rock here.

    also general conversation feels more honest and constructive. instead of the whole “WeLl AcTuAlLy!” type of shit you get on reddit. it happens, but nowhere nearly as much.

    also, way less censorship. comparing feeds from lemmy to reddit, is like apples to oranges.

    this feels like a much more human space to me.

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    You are completely correct and their comments prove it. The bubble is strong here. But it’s a pretty nice bubble

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      Very proud of all the special little techies in this thread who are definitely smart and different because they grew up troubleshooting a fax machine and not a touch screen display like the younguns of today.

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        “God damnit!” Kicks and punches machine out of frustration

        -machine starts working

        “You fucking right, better run correct, or there’s more where that came from, bitch!”

        Walks off like a gangster

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          As they’re walking away they mutter under their breath

          “Nobody born after 2000 could do that”

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            ‘nobody beats the shit out of inanimate objects like I do’

            Lol that being said, violence against technology was bred into us. But if the violence doesn’t work, digital surgery or therapy can also work. 😉

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        At least we could get the fax machine to do things. The touch screen is so many layers of abstraction away from any raw functionality it’s like the pull string on a See and Say.

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          Yeah it’s impossible to send a PDF over email from an iPhone. Never been done before. In theory it’s possible, but some computer scientists think it may never happen as tech literacy plummets and children can barely describe the best Linux distro before the age of 3 nowadays

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            It’s impossible to figure out where your PDF downloaded on Android. And then if I miraculously DO find it, whoops - my reader crashed because it doesn’t have permissions to read from that folder. All modern mobile OS tech is a disaster.

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                The search bar is an absolute disaster that not only searches your phone, it also sends your search to Google, and if you have, like me, a 128 Gb microSD card, it’s also going to SLOWLY search through the unindexed million files on THERE, chugging along and MAYBE finishing in 2 or 3 minutes.

                “files” is an unnavigatable crapshoot, offering “suggested” recent files that didn’t populate because the last 10 most recent files didn’t even get picked up by the scanning service yet, reordering any list of files bigger than 10 things takes FOREVER, half the directories are aliased in 12 places so you’re navigating a loop, and even if you FIND the file there’s no guarantee you can OPEN it because the directory might be protected.

                Downloads is a complete freaking mess. If you have a flash card, your stupid Android phone will duplicate all the user directories on it and half your apps will download to the card and the other half to your system memory, and Google’s useless scanning service that’s supposed to keep track of recent downloads goes off on magical adventures for hours at a time so you can locate your downloaded file TOMORROW if it gets around to it.

                You’re right… The fact that I can fight with the stupid thing for 20 minutes to get to my file doesn’t mean it’s literally “impossible”. It just means it’s broken, barely usable crap that I refuse to tolerate because I like products that WORK.

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                  I think if it’s taking you 20 minutes to open a downloaded PDF on your phone that might actually just be a skill issue

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        Bruh most people don’t even realize how much of modern healthcare still runs on fax machines. I didn’t even grow up with fax machines but I had to learn how to use them when I started my career. Most of our interactions with the government and pseudo government agencies for our involuntary / committed Psych patients is done by fax. The cops forgot to give us one of the pages we need when they dropped off a patient a few weeks ago and I found the NonEmerg line for their county and spamcalled their Dispatch at 2am until they faxed it to us.

        This is all to say that nurses as a whole are extremely tech illiterate. Most healthcare workers are; they’ve spent a lot of time learning anatomy and physiology and have had very little time left in their schooling to learn tech stuff. I grew up using CL Linux so I do most of the 2am tech support for everything that doesn’t explicitly require IT credentials. The wildest thing to me was watching both older nurses AND younger nurses hunt and peck to type. I grew up using AIM to talk to my friends as a teenager and nothing will increase your fluency with something more than most of your teenage communication that way.

        But it also means that I still have to go back to reddit to find people to properly empathize with me. As the OP says, a lot of these people can’t even empathize with the fact that I can’t find people here to empathize with. They just blame my fellow healthcare workers for not keeping up with technology. Like, cool, but I also just wanna be able to talk to them!

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        I still troubleshoot faxing on a semi-regular basis. I use them with Analog Telephone Adapters (ATAs) in lieu of Plain Old Telephone System (POTS) phone lines. They are, shall we say, special